BrooklynWolf quotes the Yated and starts the discussion about how pay in the frum world is dependent upon age and gender, and not the skills for the work performed. I know that wrpn and his wife have real life examples of that as well. Feel free to comment.
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I've never quite understood the mentality: We'll pay you based on who you are, not the job you do. It makes no sense to me that anyone would accept a job under such circumstances.
I agree with the above statement by garnel ironheart.
I also have a few things to add of my own. If you intend to be taken seriously and you have no negotiation skills then maybe you should take a class before starting your own business. If someone complains that they are being taken advantage of in the business world then it is their fault. If you let people set their own prices do to their bias of you then you are letting these people run YOUR business.
Also, general bias does work in the "outside" world as well. I can guarantee you this: I make less money then my male co-workers. We do the same job, if anything I work twice as hard. Why do I get paid less....because I am a woman! You want to tell me that this is not a general bias?
We as a Jewish people have extremely high standards for ourselves. We think in the Jewish world this should not happen...yet in the secular world it happens all the time. Granted the reasons maybe slightly different then the ones mentioned with different pay scales for marital status, yet the bias still exist in secular society.
to concernedjewgirl:
The thing is that in the US, you can take your employer to court and sue him for not paying you in line with the male coworker with the same level of experience and expertise. In the frum world, people abstain from that.
If you sued your employer for unfair pay nobody would hire you after that again. Same as in the Frum World. That's why people don't do it in the Frum world and that's why you don't hear about it as frequently as you used to in the U.S job market.
CJG has obviously never worked in a setting with Unionized employees. There disgruntled workers are encouraged by their Union Stewards to pull every string possible in the way of hitting management. When I oversaw Housekeeping, at an inner city Midwest based healthcare facility, I dealt with Unemployment hearings for fired staff who had simply stopped coming to work and invitations to appear before the State Civil Rights Commission facilitated by former employees discharged for very serious offenses. These often drag on for years, cost the organization a great deal of money, and in the meantime the plantiffs do manage to secure new jobs
As to "frum" organizations, well eventually their hiring and salary practices will be reported to the requisite regulatory agency and things won't go well for the offending group. Surveyors love to "ding" faulty institutions, that is after all their job, and a negative finding can have serious reprecussions beyond settling with the angry associate.
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